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I'm Back On The Horse Baby!

My inital reaction to this is pretty simple; This is nowhere as good as your first.
So I'm trying to consider what separates this from that much better piece.
I want to believe that you spent much more time on the last one than this one, and I'm pretty sure you had some reference for the last one as well. Which is good, but it shows that you need to practice all the more so you can land drawings without reference more often.

You mentioned in response to the last piece that you don't use the dodge and burn tools, but instead use the smudge tool. To be honest, that isn't much better. Take some time and practice some lighting and color theory these will both help you when it comes to making your next pieces.

Anatomy in this one is pretty shot. Although I do feel that you were going for a certain "look" I don't think you quite got it down yet. Some say that you have to know the rules before you can break them, I would like to see some anatomy studies in the future. Even if they are exaggerated and a bit distorted, I think some basic exercises would help you progress.



Something you didn't steal. so I at least give you a 1

Ok, You Want It, You Get It!

Actually, I'm liking this.
Since you say this is your first finished piece, I'm going to assume that you have practiced already quite a bit.
I also wish to address the mouse bit. I think you should really consider moving up to a decent quality tablet. I think with a little time you could easily grind this in to the mud.

Ok on to actually critiquing the piece..... just a sec.... had to get a drink of my soda..... and good....
holy shit.. I'm actually doing this right, I'm actually making a proper list of things to discuss........
this might take a moment....

ok.. Although I may have a lot more that I don't like on this than I do, don't take it as a bad thing.

Don't like
To be honest I find that I don't like the size of the eyes. they bother me a bit. If you could take them down a bit I think that would add a little more appeal to this over all.

For some reason I think she is dirty. Not in some sort of racial or sexist way, but as in it looks like she has dirt on her. Did you use the Burn tool to make her shadows? If so, ouch.... you should try it another way or smooth it out quite a bit.

Moving on, I find the background pretty bad. although I can understand that is was just a background I find the color a little strong and could be desaturated a bit. Also I think that the color should be altered a bit since it seems to be in the same ball park as the clothing color, perhaps some compliment color of either the hair or the clothing to help pop the out a little.
Speaking of the shirt I think a little more time would have helped. To keep from getting ahead of my self I'm going to discuss it better in a moment.

The lighting is something I want to really touch on because in some areas I'm ok with it, and in others I think needs some improvement. The Shirt is where I will start. I think some more harsh shadows and some darker areas would have helped. I can see where you started to push it, but it seems you got a little scared of ruining the whole thing and then backed off. I say to hell with the fear, and drive that hammer home like John Henry working for some Fried Chicken and some water melon! (Bad Joke I know.... :P I lol'd....)
The next lighting bit relates to the last one a tad since I am going to suggest that you push out your highlights on the hair and earring a bit more to the strong side. This should give a bit more of a glossy look to the hair and earring. Similar Highlights should go on the button of the blouse. Just to give it that high sheen that plastic things seem to have. Higher highlights will also help the shadows seem more deeper. And lets not forget, even if you screw up, there is always the undo button.

As for some likes. I do enjoy the earrings. I think they are good, but they are also pretty small. It's sad that you do not have a larger version of this so that I could see them in better detail.
I would like to mention that you work in a larger, print ready, size. I know this will mean that they take up a little more space, but when you upload them we'll get a good look at all the minor details when we get that high resolution brought up.

The gloss on the lips is kind of nice as well.

One thing I am on the fence with is the facial structure. It seems a little exaggerated with the cheek bones and the chin. Although they are still with in acceptable parameters. Again I think a lot of it comes down to the lighting.
Google some subtle lighting tutorials.

4/5 (if you were in the portal.)

Toast-Tony responds:

Wow, that was one hell of an awesome review, thank you. Starting at the top, i am soon buying a wacom bamboo pen tablet :3 this was my first time, EVER using photoshop, i draw with pen and pencil etc. but mouse, not very much, nothing i had taken seriously. I read tutorials as i drew this, applied what i learnt as i went.

The eyes i also had a problem with, but i fell into the arms of other critiques of this drawing i.e my girlfriend who i drew, and 2 of my friends who felt it was fine, i went with that. She does have rather large (and may i add beautiful) eyes though.

Background sucks, i didn't ever use the burn tool, it's a horrible little tool, i did whore the smudge tool though. I hate the clothing myself, i am still yet to look more into working with folds of clothing and texture, it is a must though. Hair i am also working on, i find it really difficult to get right. The highlights do come with my useless work with colour / shadow / lighting at times.

I've always worked around the 800X600 resolution since i finished this, do you reccomend larger? I was very scared with colour, i always have been when it comes to shadow, also a priority to improve.

Thanks a lot for the review Kinsei! I look forward to any other's from you.


and a lack of it.
I find the chainsaw to be a different level from the rest of the weapons. Which hints that it is traced.

over all this has very little effort and seems to be rushed to get out a bad joke.

The lighting on this is a bit better than some of your other stuff, but you still need to get better.

You need to practice some backgrounds. and study what you are drawing.

pplaskota responds:

So why did you give a worse piece a one.

good start

It really is.

The number one thing I have to ask is; Is it suppose to be on it's side like that?
If it is then I think it would look better in portrait layout.
The secoint thing I need to address has little to do with the art its self and more about your presentation... again.... The lighting seems dark go to the Art101 account and read this; http://art101.newgrounds.com/news/post/314936 it will help you with taking better photographs of your paintings.
Continuing with the critique is the bears could use a little more definition. The two of them tend to blend a bit.

The lack of a full background in this seems to work this time. The background has a simple but abstract appeal to the painting.
the composition has a good feel to it.

over all, a couple of changes to the presentation would do some wonders.
Keep practicing. As I told you earlier, drop by the Art Forum for some more critique and exposure.

Damn Orn...

How many Pieces do you have FP'd now? Either way Nice man, per usual.
Over all the subtle shadows work pretty well and the compisition is nice.

In all honesty I can't think of anything much to critique.

ornery responds:

3 to my knowledge.

Some Issues

At 9/28/10 02:19 AM, joe9320 wrote: And here is my other one, also the most recent

Style and such aside one of your biggest flaws is anatomy. It was mentioned right off the bat so I'm just here reinforcing that idea. You need to start studying the human figure. Get in to a life drawing class with a damn good teacher. If that isn't possible then get a few books and study.
With this most "recent" piece

Anyway, with this picture the hand it the first thing I notice. The hand kind of looks like the back of the hand which would mean the thumb is on backwards, but I don't think that was whats going on. If it is truly the palm facing the viewer then you need to get a few lines to show the cup of the palm.
Be careful of the breast since they are different sizes and you might want to put a little more work in to the curve of the figure. The shoulders are wider than the hips which doesn't work well with female characters. Again studying anatomy and looking at reference when working will help you.
The costume isn't really working either. Taking another swing at that dead horse, but again study and reference. Clothing seems to be a more advanced subject so you might want to practice it a little more.
The eyes are decent. Continuing with the style and anime aside bit, but the eyes are one of the most solid pieces of this entire work. Down side is with the misshapen head not so good mouth and simple arrow nose makes me thing that either you took more time on the eyes than on the rest of the piece, their heavily referenced, or you snagged them from some where. My best guess was the first two.

What I would like to see, and I'm sure that some others would as well, is sketches. I would like to see some rough sketches and underlying structure sketches. Also I would like to see some still life drawings, anatomy studies and general practice as well as some exercise on the basics of art. Even some little fun sketches would be good.

try to get something more current than something from 2009 up as well. I'm sure you haven't been setting around for almost 10 months doing nothing, but if you have, I'm not sure how much we can actually help you.

You Must Be This Tall To Ride The Bear!

Its kind of amusing. I think it could be much funnier if the picture was more like a logo for a real sporting event. You should do one in that style.

TheZachs responds:

Hey, that's actually a pretty good idea! I think I'll try it out, thanks!


You need to look up some tuts or get in to a life drawing class.

kyonky responds:

I know...I just don't know where to find anyone who could give me advice....


Up grade to a better program. Paint isn't doing it for you that is for sure. Try Gimp, its free and like photoshop.

Over all this is bad. Study animal anatomy and composition. Tutorials for both can be found in tons of books and online.

Careful of your colors. their too saturated. They need to be toned down. Study color theory while your at it.

SuperKakareta responds:

I jus edited it on paint, plus i was bout 9 neways

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